Pamela Geller vs Lying Muslim

Bare Naked Islam embedded this video in an article about the Stop The Mosque Rally in NYC, this video illustrates media bias in favor of Islam. The interviewer frequently interrupted Pam Geller rather than allow her to complete her statements. Due to the soft and rapid speech of the interviewer I was not able to get the name of the lying Muslim. This is from the Faces of Faith feature on CNN.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_wqt9edqOQ&feature=player_embedded

The interview with Pamela Geller begins approximately two minutes into this 12: 52 video. This is one of those videos that must be seen to be appreciated fully. Watch the interviewer's facial expressions. It is obvious from her expression and tone of voice that she is adversarial toward Geller. She interrupts before Geller can complete her answers. I believe that the interviewer succeeded in rattling Geller, pushing her off balance so that she was not able to make her usual articulate presentation. I will emphasize the questions with bold face, block quoting the answers and leaving my comments full width. Due to rapid speech, cross talk and poor typing skills, this transcript may contain errors, it will not be word for word perfect.

Bold underlined text is linked to my sources. Links will open in a new tab or window.

We understand that there is a protest today that you are leading, what exactly does your group hope to accomplish today and why are you against the building of Cordoba House, this Muslim and cultural community center?

Well, Ground Zero is a war memorial, its a burial ground, and this Mosque is offensive; its humiliating, its demeaning to the three thousand innocent victims who lost their lives. Without Islam this attack would never have happened. And we are rallying at Ground Zero, at the corner of Liberty and and Church to show the public outcry and we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive to this overwhelming ah dissent to this Mosque. the latest polls show that America is against this Mosque. to build a shrine to the ideology which inspired this jihadist attack is insulting, it is...

At this point the interviewer made her first interruption to insert a canned response from the Imam of Cordoba Housed. The Cordoba House project is a symbol of Islamic supremacy. Muslims built a Mosque on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, and deny that the Temples ever existed there, claiming the site for themselves exclusively. Their attitude is supremacism, it is arrogant AssWholliness, totally unacceptable to civilized people. Recent riots were caused by similar conflicting claims over holy sites. You might remember hearing about Ayodhya. The Wikipedia entry will refresh your memory.


One remark is particularly telling: "Without Islam this attack would never have happened." The accursed abomination is a function of orthodox Islamic doctrine. It flows directly from Surah Al-Anfal 39 & Surah At-Taubah 29; from Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387 and from Reliance of the Traveller Book O, Chapter 9, which codifies them. [http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-8.html http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-9.html]

Another clause needs to be brought forward: "we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive". Geller is sticking it in the left winger's eye. Islam is intolerant and unresponsive. In the Muslim world view, we must tolerate Islam, Muslims are privileged to kill us.

I want to read a response here from the Imam of the Mosque and cultural center because they put this out here and they want people like you and others who are criticizing them to understand what is going to take place in this facility. And they say that the Cordoba House seeks to create a community center where all people, Muslims, Jews, Christians and those of every faith can gather in a spirit of honor, respect and peaceful coexistence. And they go on to say that We cannot think of a better expression to promote the peaceful values of our faith than the Cordoba House, where American Muslims stand together with fellow citizens to condemn extremism and terror. It is a project to honor those people who were harmed on September 11th. Why do you object when they say you know, that's not correct what you are saying, this center is not about promoting some sort of hateful ideology, its quite the opposite?

First of all, that statement is deception because it is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray ...

What's wrong with that?

It is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray in a Mosque. The only time non-Muslims are allowed in a Mosque is if perhaps they would be able to convert. There is no plurality, there is no tolerance here...

Well thats not true because the Imam says that they would actually welcome people of various faiths to go and check this out and you can, as a non-Muslim, I'm a non-Muslim, I've been to a Mosque before - if you are invited as a guest to go as long as you are respectful...

Right--you're invited to go for proselytizing but it is not-there is no plurality in a Mosque . My question is: why there? How can it possibly be seen as outreach to build a Mosque at the war memorial that is Ground Zero, how ? How could that be perceived, that is a kick in the head, I don't understand how it can be turned into this idea of outreach when it is the opposite .
It is a triumph it is triumphal, we know that the Islamic pattern is to build gigantic Mosques on the cherished sites of conquered lands. We know that this is Islamic history...

Geller is trying to reinforce the concept of Mosques supplanting temples after becoming rattled and selecting the wrong word to inform us that Muslims invite us to Mosques in order to pull the wool over our eyes and, if possible, begin the process of converting us. Once again, the interviewer jumps in to prevent the completion of the thought.

Miss Geller, I'd like to ask you I'd like to ask you there are obviously Muslims scholars and Muslims who disagree with you but also President Bush who made this point time and time again when he reached out andsaid "look we've gotta go after those who attacked Americans on 9/11 --Al-Qaeda " certainly not moderate Muslims and not the faith of Islam, that there is a distinction, there is a difference and if people don't understand it its out of ignorance or misunderstanding. How do you counter that point if even President Bush said that what you're saying is not true?

Shrub said that "Islam is a great religion of peace". What makes him an expert? Who died and made him god? In fact, like Clinton & Obama, he is a damn liar. Peace, to Islam, is the condition of the world after they have finished conquering it. Only those who read Islam's canon know that peace and justice are fruits of conquest. Fitna prevails until Islam rules the world. Muslims attack kuffar because Moe told them that Allah commanded them to, promising eternal bliss in the celestial carnal house and threatening eternal torment in the fire of Hell as his carrot and stick incentives. Geller can't answer this way, if she did it would be her last interview, but look what she said.

I counter that point by saying: read the Qur'an, read the hadith, read the sira, there are some fifteen thousand...

Well, they have countered that as well and say that Islam ...its a perversion of Islam ... its a faith of peace?

Those who say that are Gd'd liars! There is no truth in there false assertions of passivity & perversion. They can not explain why the "religion of peace" has, in its scripture, sanctification of conquest, genocide & terrorism nor why it has rules for distributing spoils of war. They'd black ball Geller if she responded as I do.

Yes, I understand but the prime Minister of Turkey said "there is no extreme Islam, there is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam. there have been fifteen thousand Islamic attacks since 9/11 and it is inspired by the threat doctrine. We have to deal with it. Clearly a better idea would be to build a center dedicated to expunging the Qur'an of the violent texts that inspire Jihad. Every jihadist attack has the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric, I mean, this is a fact. We can't re-write reality, we have to see what is, have to deal with whats in front of us or how are you going to change things ? ...

This is what happens when they get you po'd, anger interferes with clear, concise expression. Threat doctrine is a military term, it really does not belong in this context. Islamic aggression is primarily inspired by the Qur'an's Surah Al-Anfal & Surah At-Taubah. The hadith which confirm and exemplify them are codified and explained in Riyad us-Saliheen Book 11, Chapter 234. Wasn't there something Geller said you should read?

Miss Geller, how do you counter the reality that there are thousands of Mosques across the United States and they are not points or symbols of jihad or hate?

We know from research done by SANE that four out of five Mosques preach hate and preach incitement to violence, we know this--as I said, its part of the Qur'anic text. And I think it is deeply offensive to build a Mosque on the sacred grounds of 9/11. There is a piece of the plane in that building and I think what we need to do- we are going to file a suit with the federal government to designate that building as a war memorial as a historic landmark, like Gettysburg, like Pearl Harbor . There is a piece of that plane in that building and to pray next to that is repugnant to any decent American, any Muslim of conscience, let me tell you something, I received emails from Muslims who don't believe a Mosque should be there.

It ain't the act of prayer, Pamela, its what they are praying to: the demon whose imperatives inspired the accursed abomination.

We're going to talk to a Muslim who has another point of view, but before you go, have you read the Qur'an ?

Yes I have and I strongly recommend Robert Spencer's The Infidel's guide to the Qur'an and Ibn Warraq and Wafa Sultan and Noni Darwish, these are books from former Muslims that must be read by the American people to understand what it is they are facing. They just arrested two more jihadis they were US citizens, they were arrested at JFK Airport. You have to understand the threat doctrine if you are going to address the threat.

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Is there a portion-are there passages in the Qur'an that promotes what we saw al-Qaeda do on 9/11?

There are, but that Muslim won't admit it. I provided links to the most important such verses within my comments on the interview with Pamela Geller above.

Well first let me thank you for having me on and letting me provide what I call a Muslim perspective. Number one- a few points I want to make real quick. Unfortunately, there is a lot of erroneous translations that are out there. What we have to do is ask ourselves what do they hope to accomplish with this protest today against the Mosque? Asking the government to stop it--well that would be wholly unconstitutional its one of the first things I learned in law school, because it would be a violation of equal protection number one and number two, of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, something I learned in kindergarten as well. In America we have freedom of religion. Point number two, this is a fringe group. A lot of family members of 9/11 as well as public officials and regular Americans who understand American ideals support this initiative because they understand two crucial points: fringe groups like Pamela's- what they're doing number one- spreading the erroneous misinterpretation that the terrorists like al-Qaeda want to spread about Islam and number two: they're simultaneously feeding the propaganda that al-Qaeda uses to recruit which is that America is anti-Muslim. now Miss Geller and her group may be anti-Muslim, but the rest of America for the most part, is not. As far as where it says

http://www.quranbrowser.com/ displays a table of ten parallel translations for easy comparison. The words vary, with the exception of one polemical translation, the meanings do not. http://www.openburhan.net/ will display eighteen English translations if you click the ayeh number. It also displays a word by word breakdown, with links to an Arabic/Engish dictionary.

Besides al-taqiyya and kitman, as a lawyer, he should know that government interference would be blocked by the free exercise clause, not the establishment clause. He should also know that Islam is a standing violation of the establishment clause because it demands that temporal and spiritual power be in the same hands. Islam does not recognize separation of church and state. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. This is a wake up call.

What part is Miss Geller not understanding here because she clearly has a point of view here that she feels threatened and she feels that this is going to be dangerous to have this Mosque in that area. What do you want to say to her ?

Well, lets examine why she's threatened. Number one, she's talking about what the Qur'an teaches. There's 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, now there is admittedly probably tens of thousands of al-Qaeda members or members of other terrorist organizations; they have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. She keeps equating al-Qaeda and their attack against this country to what Islam teaches. I'll take her to my family in Egypt, they'll fill her with food and take her shopping and they'll show her that the vast majority of Muslims around the word and not just in this country follow the teachings of the Qur'an, which state for example, in Chapter 5, verse 32: killing one innocent person is like killing all people saving one innocent life is like saving all people. or another verse that says let there be no compulsion in religion . Another verse that says let there be no tyranny, this is what Islam really teaches when you look at the accurate majority translations that are out there. There are thousands of Mosques already in this country. These are the teachings of Jesus and Abraham and Muhammad That they teach in Sunday schools, its what I learned in Sunday school growing up. So this Mosque that they're going to be building two blocks away from the World Trade Center- lets remember that number one, a lot of Muslims died at the World Trade Center Number two, this is going to be interfaith and open to a lot of non-Muslims to use the pool, use the exhibit facilities, to engage in dialog, just like a YMCA would, and yes, Muslims are going to go pray there because there are over a thousand Muslims who work down town who need a place to pray.

The Qur'an does not teach Jihad, it commands it! Get that straight for once. By the way, argumentum ad numerum and argumentum ad populum are logical fallacies, a lawyer should know that and avoid using them.

"Nothing to do with the teachings of Islam"? How about Allah's imperatives: "fight them until...only Allah is worshiped", "fight those who", "kill them wherever you find them", "I will cast terror", "Allah cast terror" Nothing at all to do with terrorism, nothing at all. Yeah, right. Snake feces!

He quotes 5:32, but not 5:33, why is that? Only because the latter verse details the punishment prescribed for those who "wage war against Allah". Ibn Kathir defines "wage war" as including disbelief. Got a clue yet? If you don't believe in Allah they can crucify you. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Kitman is lying by obfuscation. These apologists for Islam are quick, slick & glib and they leave behind a lump of snake excrement. When you believe what they say, you eat that excrement.

2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion. 8:39 says "Fight them until...only Allah is worshiped.". Such conflicts are solved by naskh. Later revelations abrogate earlier revelations. The eighth surah was revealed later, 8:39 abrogates 2:256. There is something else the slick lawyer concealed from you. 3:110 says that Muslims are " the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind". That ayeh is explained by Sahih Buhari 6.60.80 The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

So there is no tyranny in Islam? That word is not found in the Hilali & Khan translation, but this is, in 33:36: It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.

"A lot of Muslims died at the World Trade Center", 23 out of more than 2700; How is that relevant to the fact that the accursed abomination was inspired by the Qur'an & hadith?

Let me ask you this, she makes the point, she says that this'll be a very important symbol to those who would want to do harm because its close to ground zero do you think that she has any kind of is this point valid at all?

Not at all. The more she talks the more its clear that she does not know what she's talking about. This Mosque is a symbol of the 1.5 billion who respect peace I mean, remember that people go around in the Muslim world saying "peace be unto you" as hello and goodbye. Let alone the Millions of Muslim Americans who including myself, including my brother in law who is an officer in the Air Force stationed in Iraq right now, teachers, doctors, these are peace loving American people, their relatives overseas are peace loving Muslims, This Mosque will provide a place to pray just like several other Mosques in New York City does, for her to say that its offensive is what's offensive to us because there is nothing offensive about our religion, Mosques are no different from synagogues and churches and nowhere in this country would someone go out there and fight against the creation of a church in downtown Manhattan so I mean its really just offensive and there's a lot of ignorance out there and the days when she can go out there and make these untrue statements about the religion are over. We now have native born, English speaking American citizens just like my self with law degrees who can finally go out there on shows like yours that are nice enough to give us an opportunity to respond and say that she's on the wrong side of history where .....

I know what Geller was talking about because I have read the Qur'an & hadith and a significant sample of Islamic exegeses & jurisprudence. Geller knows what she was talking about, so does that lying Muslim.

If Muslims respect peace, it is as the outcome of Islamic conquest. Islam divides the world into two camps: Dar ul-Islam and Dar ul-harb. Dar ul-harb is the house of war, it is wherever Islam is not yet in control. If you harbor any doubt about this, read 13:41.

The Mosque is a symbol of Islamic supremacy. Where Allah's writ runs, dhimmis are not allowed to build higher than Muslim structures and they are not permitted to build new churches. .

"Peace be upon you", ain't that sweet. Moe said something about greeting Jews & Christians, it is in Sahih Muslim 26.5389: "Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it".

"Because there is nothing offensive about our religion"? Islamic law says that:

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),

But there is nothing offensive about Islam, no, nothing at all. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Wake up, wise up and rise up!

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Pat Condell Condemns Cordoba House

Bare Naked Islam posted this excellent video in which Pat Condell, the British atheist curmudgeon, expresses his outrage at Islamic arrogance and American political cowardice.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=player_embedded

Pat Condell's rapid fire delivery does not allow much time to let critical concepts sink in, so I have transcribed his remarks. This probably is not word for word perfect, but it is close enough for our purposes.

All you Americans. whov'e been following the Islamization of Europe from afar with horrified incredulity if any of you are still nursing the cozy illusion that it could never happen in your country, its time to wake up and rub those sleepy eyes because the moment of truth has arrived. In case you haven't heard there's a plan afoot to build a thirteen story Islamic Center and Mosque a few yards from ground zero in New York. A plan that's been enthusiastically welcomed by politicians and civic leaders eager to show how tolerant they are at other people's expense. Is it possible to be astonished but not surprised ? Apparently its not enough that nearly three thousand innocent people had to lose their lives in a hideous act of religious mass murder but now their memory has to be insulted as well and the religion that murdered them allowed to build a. towering triumphalist Mosque on the ground where they died.

Is America losing its mind? It says a lot about the people behind this scheme that they have the bad taste even to propose building a Mosque in such a place, but to describe it as they have as a tribute to the victims is beyond bad taste and shows a profound contempt for those who died. It would be hard to imagine a more provocative gesture short of standing on their graves and burning the American flag.

Yet, how typical of Islam, with its own hair-trigger sensitivity to the slightest imagined insult to do something so arrogant and so insensitive.

Its gonna cost a hundred million dollars to build this thing, but nobody's prepared to say where the money is coming from. We do know that the Saudis fund a lot of Mosque building in the west when they are not busy trying to stamp out freedom of speech at the United Nations or telling Fox News what to broadcast so I guess we'll all be paying for it every time we start the car.

You know, it seems to me a much more appropriate place for a Mosque in New York would be the United Nations building itself, because that organization has become so Islamo-friendly in recent years that frankly I'm surprised it doesn't already have a minaret.

You know, I'm not even American but it makes me sick to my stomach to think that Islam is gonna be allowed anywhere near ground zero because 9/11 could never have happened if not for Islam and its teachings and its doctrine of jihad and its false promise of an impossible afterlife without which none of those gullible lunatics would have been persuaded to carry out such an insane act. And also because it wasn't just an attack on America but on all of us in the civilized world. As were the bombings in London, in Madrid, in Bali, the shootings in Mumbai and everywhere else the religion of peace decides it doesn't like the way people do things.

Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment. How obvious does that have to be? And it has no right even to call itself a religion Without the shield of religion to hide behind, Islam would be banned in the civilized world as a political ideology of hate and we have no obligation to make allowances for it anymore than we do for Nazism.

Its a bigger threat to our freedom than Nazism ever was. Yes, both are totalitarian and both divide the world unnecessarily into us and them, the pure and the impure and both make no secret of their desire to exterminate the Jews. But we were all more or less on the same side against the Nazis whereas the Islamonazis have got plenty of friends among people in the West who ought to know better.

American politicians now regularly make the kind of dhimmi noises about diversity as an excuse for Islamization, the same kind of thing that we've become so depressingly familiar with in Europe.

Its true that diversity has been good for America, its been the making of that country but American diversity has always been grounded in respect for the values- the individual liberties that make America what it is. Islam rejects those values and thats the difference and its a very important difference. Islam despises what America is, it rejects everything America stands for including freedom and diversity and any Muslim who denies that is a liar.

The organization behind this scheme is called the Cordoba Initiative and the building is to be called Cordoba House. And this is because Cordoba or Cordova is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great Mosque at the start of and as a symbol of their conquest of Spain.

The ground zero Mosque is intended to serve the same purpose in America. Building Mosques on conquered sacred ground is standard practice, its what Islam has always done to assert its supremacy and that is whats happening here. And of course they know how insulting it is, how offensive it is; are you kidding? Why do you think they chose this site as close as possible to ground zero? Or do you think that that was just an accident? And they also know that once its built it will be there forever as a permanent affront to all Americans -- gloating in triumph and a major bridgehead in the ongoing stealth jihad. Thats how the Muslim world will see it and thats how they'll be encouraged to see it, and to be fair to them, thats exactly what it will be, confirming what they've always suspected: America is a soft country--a decadent country crippled by political correctness; confused and guilt ridden, with no backbone and no pride.

They plan to open it next year, on September the eleventh, the tenth anniversary of the atrocity. Is that tasteless enough for you? I'm surprised they haven't organized a 757 fly past.

But you know, it doesn't have to be this way. Here in London, we had a similar situation just recently when they wanted to build a gigantic Mosque to overshadow the Olympic games. Public opinion put a stop to that and public opinion can put a stop to this disgraceful plan as well and it can tell this group and the politicians who support them that enough is enough and that this is one insult too far and that America is a big country and there is plenty of room for them to build their offensive Mosque, if they have to, somewhere else, somewhere perhaps more appropriate to the spirit of their religion like the Arizona desert of Death Valley. Peace and God bless the Kuffar.

Evidently Pat suffers from cognitive dissonance, the victims of 9/11 were not murdered, they are victims of jihad. They were killed in a military attack upon civilians. The main religious component of the act is the religious obligation to carry out attacks on kuffar, which is classified as fard al-kifaya: binding upon all eligible male Muslims until a sufficient number have reported to the battlefront. The minor religious component is the pronunciation of takbir while slitting throats. "Allah-hu Akhbar" means "Allah is greater". Shouting it during an attack is one way of instilling terror into their victims.

Islam is not a religion, it is a way of life: intra-species predation. You will not likely come to a full realization of this until you read the Qur'an and hadith. I have documented the most important verses and sayings in another blog post: Islam's Mercenary Mission. Islam has a religious component, which is used to motivate the attackers and rationalize their depredations.

Pat mentioned another important issue: triumphalism. Islam convinces its acolytes that Allah has promised them victory, that they will conquer and dominate the entire world. Quranic verses contributing to triumphalism include: 2:137, 3:123, 3:125, 3:126, 3:127, 3:160, 5:52, 13:41, 14:15, 17:6, 40:51 and 61:9 . Ibn Kathir's Tafsir confirms the obvious; the titles alone should be sufficient to enlighten the observant reader.

• Good News of abundant Spoils of War
• Good News of continuous Muslim Victories until the Day of Resurrection
• The Good News that Muslims will conquer the Known World, and ultimately the Entire World

In order to promote and perpetuate the wars that provided his income, Moe had Allah command the Muslims to conquer the entire world. The jihad imperatives are found in 8:39 and 9:29. To motivate Muslims to go to war, Moe promised them eternity in a celestial bordello and threatened them with eternal damnation if they refused.

One of Pat's statements stands out above the rest, I want to make sure that you understand it.

Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment. How obvious does that have to be? And it has no right even to call itself a religion Without the shield of religion to hide behind, Islam would be banned in the civilized world as a political ideology of hate and we have no obligation to make allowances for it anymore than we do for Nazism.

Islam does not just endorse violence, it ordains it. Killing and being killed fighting in Allah's cause is the basis of the relationship between Allah and his slaves. Our First Amendment forbids congress from making any law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Misidentification as a religion shields Islam from prohibitive legislation. Jihad, genocide & terrorism are intrinsic sacraments of Islam, it can not be practiced without them. Islamic law requires a minimum of one ghazwat in every year. This is how Al-Shafi'i interpreted that law:

"The least that the imam must do is that he allow no year to pass without having organised a military expedition by himself, or by his raiding parties, according to the Muslims' interest, so that the jihad will only be stopped in a year for a (reasonable) excuse."

Why in Hell would a free nation allow that demonic ideology to gain a foothold on its soil?

Construction of Mosques and minarets is symbolic of Islamic Supremacism. Wherever Islam conquers, it tears down temples, supplanting them with Mosques as a symbol of supremacy. To make this issue more clear to you I will quote two provisions of Islamic law from Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 11.5, which lists seven restrictions on conquered Jews & Christians.

-5- may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims' buildings, though if they acquire a tall house, it is not razed;

-7- and are forbidden to build new churches.

There is no good reason for accepting this insult. We must rise up and condemn it and the politicians who permit it. Stand up like Pat Condell and let your voice be heard.

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Geller vs Ghouse

Pam Geller wrote an article published at Big Journalism, about CAIR's attempt to silence her message to an upcoming Tea Party convention. In that article, she included a debate she had with Mike Ghouse on Sean Hannity's radio show. The audio stream is accompanied by text and images from the Abomination. I want you to listen to that debate. I want you to hear the disgusting lies spewed by mike Ghouse. I want you to see those horrific images and relive that awful September morning. I want the anger and outrage to rise in your throat until you stand up and curse Islam.

I want you to resolve never to vote for a candidate for high office who does not clearly condemn Moe's War Cult for what it is. I want you to have your eyes and ears open, and your mind clear, ready to detect the spew of lies that flows whenever the subject of Islam heats up. The truth will not make you free if you do not recognize it and reject the lies which oppose it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk6efjmxK_g&feature=player_embedded

• Well, Pamela, first of all everybody is crying out loud for Muslims to take the initiative to bring about a positive change and this cultural center that is being built is to do precisely that, to give a voice to the moderate Muslims so we can subside the extremists among us. It is good- et should be [unintelligible] by every American that moderate Muslims take charge and speak up. And this cultural center will house--one part of the cultural center is a prayer place, but most of it is talking about pluralism and how to get along, learning about each other and what this center is gonna do is a very welcome thing to do. And as for your comment about Muslims and jihad, its one of the most mistranslated verses that you're couching on for the last eight or nine centuries. Look at the Mohammad Asad translation and eighteen other translations. you are going by what was wrongly translated, not rightly translated, Pamela.
• We should not tolerate any teachings of Jihad, anywhere in the world, not only in America. Muslims turn up against that kind of teaching.
• [About Taqiyya] It is not in the Qur'an, you can't lie to the public, Pamela...

• How will a Mosque, where Muslims gather to pray for our destruction, make any positive change in the damnable doctrines of Islam?
• "Moderate Muslims" is an alias for what Moe called hypocrites, whose Islam goes no deeper than their throats, who are to be defeated and gathered into Hell along with us. The meek do not inherit the earth while the aggressors are running it.
• Pluralism? Islam demands a total monopoly on faith and practice, it is not multicultural.
• How to get along? No, its how to conquer and dominate.
• Jihad is ordained for Muslims, made mandatory by Surah al-Baqarah 216.
  
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  Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.
  
  

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  * v.216 : To fight in the cause of Truth is one of the highest form of charity. What can you offer that is more precious than your own life? But here again the limitations come in. If you are a mere brawler, or a selfish aggressive person, or a vainglorious bully, you deserve the highest censure. If you offer your life to the righteous Iman, who is only guided by God, you are an unselfish here. God knows the value of things better than you do. [Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
• [2:216]
  FIGHTING is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know.
  
  

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  * v.216 : Insofar as it relates to fighting, this verse must be read in conjunction with 2:190-193 and 22:39: but it expresses, in addition, a general truth applicable to many situations.[Mohammad Asad]

Surah Al-Baqarah deals with defensive jihad, when Dar ul-Islam is threatened with invasion. Surah Al-Anfal & Surah At-Taubah are about offensive jihad, when Islam takes the aggressive initiative.

• The Spoils
• Mohammad Asad
• Abdullah Yusuf Ali
• Repentence
• Mohammad Asad
• Abdullah Yusuf Ali

• 3:28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.
• Let not the believers take the disbelievers as patrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers — for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, the religion of, God in anyway — unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey’s end, the return, and He will requite you. [Jalalayn]
• 16:106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn is fairly terse, yet it clarifies the meaning of verses sufficiently. Ibn Kathir's Tafsir is more verbose and one of the most accepted. http://www.qtafsir.com/ has a search engine with which you can look up verses by the Surah: Ayeh numbers. Here are the titles of the tafsir most relevant to this issue. Clicking them will display the Arabic text, related ahadith and Ibn Kathir's explanations.

• The Command for Endurance when the Enemy Engaging
• The Command for Jihad against the Disbelievers and the Hypocrites
• The Command to fight Those Who fight Muslims and killing Them wherever They are found
• The Command to strike the Enemies’ Necks, tighten Their Bonds, and then free Them either by an Act of Grace or for a Ransom
• The Order to fight People of the Scriptures until They give the Jizyah
• The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest Areas
• The Order to fight to eradicate Shirk and Kufr
• The Order to fight until there is no more Fitnah
• The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers and Hypocrites

So terrorism is harram? Explain away these tafsir which explain 8:60 and 8:12!!

• Making Preparations for War to strike Fear in the Hearts of the Enemies of Allah
• Muslims invoke Allah for Help, Allah sends the Angels to help Them

Riyad us-Saliheen, Book 11, Chapter 234 presents the most relevant ahadith with commentary. Shari'ah is based on both sources. Its most accepted codification is Reliance of the Traveller.

• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-0.html Jihad defined as making war on kuffar.
• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-1.html The communal obligation to attack kuffar at least once each year.
• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-8.html The caliph makes war on Jews... codification of 9:29.
• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-9.html The caliph fights all other people... codification of 8:39.
• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-13.html Women & children enslaved by reason of capture.
• http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO25-9.html The eighth duty of subordinate rulers: to undertake Jihad.
  

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