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Thursday, November 3, 2011

Islamophobia: Reinforced by a Failed Offense

It appears that UCLA may be teaching rhetoric & polemics while ignoring logic. Last spring, the Student Council passed a resolution against "islamophobia", intended to ban criticism of Islam. The David Horowitz Freedom Center responded with an advertisement placed in the Daily Bruin.

The advertisement uses a list of recent terrorist incidents to illustrate the falsity of the islamophobia meme. The proof is reinforced by citations to Islam's canon of scripture & tradition:

The points about misogyny & genocide are clearly made, beyond any possibility of refutation. The advertisement could have been longer, more detailed and elaborate but it did not need to be. It clearly established the fact that fear & loathing of Islam is rational, not irrational.

The Muslim Student Association and their allies in the left wing fired back with a joint response. Of course the response did not contest the above listed Qur'an & hadith citations. Instead, it revealed the arrogance & illogic of the enemies of liberty.

friendship

Friendship can be forged under the most unlikely circumstances. Therefore, we formally thank the David Horowitz Freedom Center for providing us with this opportunity to find common ground against a common problem.

So Horowitz brought the MSA together with J Street as friends. There is one little problem: Allah forbids Muslims to be friends with Jews.

5:51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).

By forming an alliance with J Street, the MSA have put their souls in jeopardy; they are in a state of sin, swinging their balances to the left.

wrongly identifying terrorists

On Oct. 13 , the David Horowitz Freedom Center published an ad in the Daily Bruin titled “Not All Fears Are Phobias,” wrongly identifying Islam as a perpetrator of terrorism worldwide.

When Muslims engage in terrorism, in whose name do they perform it? Terrorists have made us familiar with takbir: "Allahu Akbar!" . They shout takbir while detonating themselves and slitting throats. There is something Allah said, that he would "cast terror":

3:151
8:12.

Allah said that he "cast terror into the hearts" of disbelievers:

33:26
59:2

Allah commanded Muslims to severely punish their victims so as to 'strike terror" into those "behind them" so that they might "learn a lesson": 8:57. Allah told those "with eyes to see" to "take admonition" after the destruction of one Jewish settlement. He told Muhammad that the Jews were more afraid of him than they were of Allah in 59: 13. Allah commanded Muslims to build a mighty army to "strike terror" into the "enemies of Allah" and "your enemies". 8:60.

And Moe said that he was made victorious with terror. Muslims are commanded to emulate Moe, so we must expect them to be terrorists since their role model was one.

The ad presents one step in a campaign to isolate the American Muslim community, all but labeling the entire community a security threat. The David Horowitz Freedom Center attempts to legitimize a policy of exclusion and suspicion of American Muslims and galvanize a susceptible population against them.

Isolate, label, exclusion & suspicion

The key words inform us of an important fact: the authors are students of Saul Alinsky.

The Horowitz ad has made students on campus feel uncomfortable, upset and unsafe. While Muslim students feel it attacks their personal identity, others see the ad as unrepresentative of their values. This ad creates an environment where a specific community feels unsure of whether it can express its identity without fear of backlash or condemnation. The university has an obligation to protect its students in this capacity, especially when UCLA is among the most diverse campuses in the United States.

feel unsafe

The ad states verifiable facts about Islam. Exactly how does that you feel unsafe? Did the ad contain an exhortation to assemble with torches & pitchforks to roust the enemy? Did it call for the establishment of extermination camps? If the ad contained either explicit or implicit threats, why don't you point them out?

This is America; we are Americans. What need is there to express another identity? Don't UCLA students identify with this nation?

The campus Muslim community expressed widespread dismay and unease over the message embedded in the ad. They were outraged at being implicated in the actions of extremists, a tiny percentage of the overall population. Many members of the MSA felt unsafe and wary of a campus that might have endorsed a blanket criminalization of a religion rather than attributing blame to the individuals who committed the crimes.

embedded message

The ad's title leaves nothing to the imagination; it says that fear & loathing of Islam is rational and well founded on Islamic texts and actions. There is no hidden, subliminal message; the ad is open, not cryptic.

implicated

Are you Muslims? Do you believe in Allah; his promise & threat? Believers are Allah's slaves, purchased with the promise of Paradise, so that they fight in his cause, slaying and being slain. The Qur'an makes this crystal clear in 9:111. Fighting in Allah's cause guarantees you a place in the celestial bordello::61:10
Shirking jihad condemns you to eternity in the fire: 9:38. If you take "any step" to injure or enrage disbelievers, you get extra credit toward a better seat in the celestial bordello: 9:120. If you are obedient believers, you are implicated.

actions of extremists

Was Usama an extremist or was he a believer, obeying Allah and emulating his messenger? Moe waged war, pillaged & plundered. He lopped off the heads of 900 men and boys who surrendered after a two week siege. Return to 33:26-27 and examine Sunan Abu Dawud 38.4390. What Moe said and did is normative Islam, not extremism.

tiny percentage

According to Moe, 999/1000 are going to Hell. Those going to Paradise are the tiny percentage. Remember that jihad is fard al-kifaya, not fard ayn. Only those called to fight are directly obligated the rest are excused once a sufficient number have responded. "Seventy-thousand or seven-hundred thousand of my followers (the narrator is in doubt as to the correct number) will enter Paradise holding each other till the first and the last of them enter Paradise at the same time, and their faces will have a glitter like that of the moon at night when it is full."

criminalization of a religion

Islam is a crime syndicate; a predatory way of life, not a religion. David Horowitz can not make Islam criminal, Moe did. Islam's mission is mercenary.
"The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger." "And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad )], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer,"...
..."You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter."...

Another declaration, bowdlerized by Khan but included in Bewley's translation, leaves little to the imagination. Bukhari Ch 61 # 2756: ...It is mentioned from Ibn 'Umar from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command.

There is more, and I will gild the lily with it. Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4327:
"The spoils of war were not made lawful for any people before us, This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us. "

Moe also said that the keys to the treasures of the world had been given to him. He said that his companions would spend the treasures of Rome & Persia in jihad. Another of his sayings brings the matter into focus: ..."By Allah, I am not afraid that you will be poor, but I fear that worldly wealth will be bestowed upon you as it was bestowed upon those who lived before you. So you will compete amongst yourselves for it, as they competed for it and it will destroy you as it did them." ... Moe feared that they would get too much of spoil & jizya. His companions shared that fear, thinking that it would be deducted from their reward in the celestial bordello. ..."Then worldly wealth was bestowed upon us and we were given thereof too much. We are afraid that the reward of our deeds have been given to us in this life." 'Abdur-Rahman then started weeping so much that he left the food. "...

One hadith in the collection of Abu Dawud makes the issue crystal clear beyond any shadow of doubt. read and re-read it until reality sinks into your consciousness.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 23, Number 3455:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction, hold the tails of oxen, are pleased with agriculture, and give up conducting jihad (struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over you, and will not withdraw it until you return to your original religion.

Jihad, commerce & agriculture are alternative economies; Jihad is preferred. What would they give up and what should they return to? Jihad is their "original religion". What is jihad? The legal definition is given in Reliance of the Traveller, O9.0: "Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, "... .

If the David Horowitz Freedom Center really wanted to combat extremism, it would be urging us to communicate and learn from our classmates instead of preaching a dogma of intolerance. In actuality, placing the ad encourages the spread of extremism, divides our community and leads to demonization of student populations.

combat extremism

There is no extremism, there is only Islam; what Moe preached & practiced.

learn from our classmates

What do you expect to learn from fellow students? What do they know, and will they convey knowledge honestly? Why don't you go to the source, to translations of Islam's canon of scripture, tradition, exegesis & jurisprudence? Make good use of the links I have given you.

dogma of intolerance

How is a sentient and moral person to tolerate misogyny? Islam considers wives to be tilth; chattel property liken to fields to be plowed. It sanctions beating them. See if you can find the parenthetical "lightly" in the Arabic text. It allows fathers to sell pre-pubescent virgin daughters into forced marriage and makes provision for divorce after consummation.and before puberty. It allows Muslims to rape captive women.

How is a sentient and moral person to tolerate intolerance? Allah declares that seekers of other religions will not be accepted. Jews & Christians are described as those who "earned his wrath" & "went astray"; the worst of living creatures. Islam curses us and declares war upon us.

How is a sentient and moral person to tolerate discrimination? Islam declares our blood and property not sacred to Muslims; declaring open season. Islam subjects conquered Jews & Christians to a humiliating & impoverishing tax and prohibits them from building and maintaining churches & publicly manifesting their religion. Islam does not allow Jews & Christians to testify in court.

encourages the spread of extremism

How does public exposure of the doctrines & practices of Islam encourage them? Are we to believe that most Muslims are unaware of their "religious obligation" to mount annual military attacks against disbelievers?

demonization

How are you demonized except by your enslavement to the chief of demons? If misogyny, child molesting and genocidal conquest using terrorism as a battle tactic are not part of your value system, why are you affiliated with Islam? Islam is all or nothing, you can not pick and choose the bits you like.

How can an organization that is against anti-Semitism condone Islamophobia? We feel that anyone against the former yet allowing the latter is applying a double standard to our neighboring communities. From J Street U’s standpoint, the Jewish values that we have been brought up on will not allow us to condone the oppression of any society, for our community is not exclusive to this experience. Our religious and ethnic memory is stained with millennia of oppression, and we pity those who have not learned from it. Our community suffered greatly, and we will do whatever we can to make sure others do not have to.

anti-Semitism / Islamophobia

The original expression was "Juden Hass". Anti-Semitism was coined by a Jew hater to put a pleasant face on an evil sentiment. Exactly what do Jews do that makes them worthy of hatred?

Islam is a proper object of hatred because of its genocidal aggression. A Prophet must make "great slaughter" as a prerequisite for holding captives for ransom and as his price of admission to the celestial bordello. "Jihad is ordained for you"; "fight them until"; "I have been ordered to fight until".

The Hindu, Assyrian & Armenian genocides echo through history. Mass slaughters in Maillot, Beslan, London, Madrid & New York City must be enshrined as exemplars of Islam in history books yet to be written.

condone the oppression

You can't condone oppression yet you refuse to condemn Islam. Who is oppressing Christians in Egypt, Nigeria, Kenya, Pakistan & Indonesia? Christians are assaulted, raped & murdered; their homes, businesses & churches burned with impunity. You equate condemnation of oppression with oppression. What mental & moral defect has seized you and afflicted you with hypocrisy?

No community on or off campus should be demonized or disrespected. Instead of fostering fear and rejection, it’s our duty to try to understand each other’s cultures or viewpoints.

understand each other’s cultures

How are we to understand Islam if we remain ignorant of its doctrines and practices? If you would understand Islam, you need to read the Qur'an, hadith & Sira. Horowitz understands Islam; you object to his sharing what he has learned; you seek to outlaw his sharing of information.

The kind of ad that propagates fear of the “other,” but doesn’t allow that “other” community to speak for itself, is not what we need on campus.

propagates fear

By exposing Islamic misogyny, intolerance & genocidal aggression, Horowitz "propagates fear"? Should we avoid telling children about venomous insects and reptiles because children might develop phobias? Why did Allah tell Moe that he and his army were "more of a fear" in the hearts of the Jews than Allah was?

doesn’t allow that “other” to speak for itself

Who has Horowitz prevented from speaking? Did he attempt to prevent the publication of your screed? His ad is a response to your resolution which calls for the silencing of his speech. Are you so blinded by self righteousness that you can't see your own hypocrisy? Last year, members of the MSA at another campus shouted down Israel's Ambassador, preventing him from speaking to students.

I took your screed apart point by point, bringing your hypocrisy to the surface where everyone can see it. You could have attempted a point by point rebuttal of Horowit's ad, but instead you chose to utter & publish a smarmy smear, projecting your own negative traits onto him.

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Monday, January 18, 2010

Genocide Hadith Revisited Again

Censorship and Libel at USC

David Horowitz has once again raised the issue of the infamous genocide hadith which was restored to the USC 's database after he had campaigned for its removal. I have added emphasis for the sake of clarity. [An edited transcript of Horowitz's Nov. 4 speech is available, plus a video and a report of the attempts to prevent him from speaking. The speech is a very articulate appeal for free speech on campus, an extremely important issue.]

I was invited to USC to speak about this problem and specifically about an incitement to kill Jews posted on an official USC website and attributed to the prophet Mohammed. The incitement was originally posted by the USC Muslim Student Union. It was removed last spring by Provost Nicias, who called it “disgusting,” over protests from the Muslim Student Union. It was recently restored to a USC website by another campus group. When this re-posting came to my attention, I contacted USC students and said I would like to come to campus to address this and related issues. This led to my invitation from College Republicans.

What incitement?

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

That saying is part of Islam's canon of codified oral tradition, a prophecy which sets the final genocide of the Jews as a precondition for the Muslims reaping their rewards in Paradise. It is not the cry of "Itbach-al-Yahud" often heard in Islamic sermons, it is part of the basis for those sermons. Variant forms of that saying are common in Islamic literature, including the Charter of Hamas.

A variant remained in the database: Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177. Whether they are published on a university web site or not, those sayings inform us of the genocidal character of Islam. They serve to warn us of Islam's intentions. Removing them is like amputating a snake's rattles or painting a skunk's stripes, depriving us of a warning.

My principle objection to censoring the hadith is that it deprives us of a means of authenticating the evidence of Islam's genocidal character. I frequently cite that hadith, including a link to it so that readers can verify its authenticity and explore related hadith. While such sayings re removed from the web, they remain in thousands of books and articles and in the minds of millions of Muslims. Nothing is accomplished by removing one saying from one web site.

The revival of this issue can serve a purpose by affording another opportunity to reveal the evil at the core of Islam. The Qur'an includes a demonic injunction to make war upon Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians.

9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Now you know that Muslims are commanded to make war on Jews and that the Muslims can't enter Paradise until they finish the job. While there is plenty of antisemitism in the Qur'an, one ayeh stands out above the rest.

7:167. And (remember) when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (i.e. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is OftForgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh's Forgiveness).

Ibn Kathir's tafsir of that ayeh brings a new dimension to it.

...In the future, the Jews will support the Dajjal (False Messiah); and the Muslims, along with `Isa, son of Mary, will kill the Jews. This will occur just before the end of this world....

Another prophesy contains a less explicit confirmation. Read between the lines.

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace_be_upon_him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

When President Obama and others assert that Islam is a "great religion of peace", those of us who have explored its canon of scripture, exegeses, tradition & jurisprudence can use quotes from those sources to refute the lie. Instead of demanding censorship, we should be exposing the core of Islamic doctrine in the harsh light of truth. Expose Islam's violent antisemitism, don't obscure it.

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My Favorite Speeches and Other Items of Interest

George Bush's March 28, 2007 Discusses Economy, War on Terror During Remarks to the National Cattlemen's Beef Association;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070328-2.html
Mitch McConnell's March 15, 2007 Funding For Troops, Not Timelines for Retreat; http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=270747&start=1
Ronald Reagan's June 12, 1987 Tear Down This Wall Speech; http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp
Vice President Cheney's March 12, 2007 Remarks at the AIPAC 2007 Policy Conference; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070312.html

Winston Churchill Quotes

A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement.
Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed.
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
I always seem to get inspiration and renewed vitality by contact with this great novel land of yours which sticks up out of the Atlantic.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
I like a man who grins when he fights.
I was only the servant of my country and had I, at any moment, failed to express her unflinching resolve to fight and conquer, I should at once have been rightly cast aside.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.
In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.
It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary.
Moral of the Work. In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill.
Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
Never, never, never give up.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism.
One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
The first quality that is needed is audacity.
The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
These are not dark days: these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived.
They are decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent.
True genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous, and conflicting information.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival.
When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
When you are winning a war almost everything that happens can be claimed to be right and wise.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Ronald Reagan Quotes

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.
Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources
Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Double, no triple, our troubles and we'd still be better off than any other people on earth. It is time that we recognized that ours was, in truth, a noble cause.
Facts are stupid things.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
How can a president not be an actor?
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.
I will stand on, and continue to use, the figures I have used, because I believe they are correct. Now, I'm not going to deny that you don't now and then slip up on something; no one bats a thousand.
In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that. Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tryanny and unrest.
Let us ask ourselves; "What kind of people do we think we are?".
Man is not free unless government is limited.
My philosophy of life is that if we make up our mind what we are going to make of our lives, then work hard toward that goal, we never lose - somehow we win out.
No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.
Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act.
Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing.
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
The United Sates has much to offer the third world war.
There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.
Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.
We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
We have the duty to protect the life of an unborn child.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.
Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.
You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed.