Pamela Geller vs Lying Muslim
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The interview with Pamela Geller begins approximately two minutes into this 12: 52 video. This is one of those videos that must be seen to be appreciated fully. Watch the interviewer's facial expressions. It is obvious from her expression and tone of voice that she is adversarial toward Geller. She interrupts before Geller can complete her answers. I believe that the interviewer succeeded in rattling Geller, pushing her off balance so that she was not able to make her usual articulate presentation. I will emphasize the questions with bold face, block quoting the answers and leaving my comments full width. Due to rapid speech, cross talk and poor typing skills, this transcript may contain errors, it will not be word for word perfect.
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We understand that there is a protest today that you are leading, what exactly does your group hope to accomplish today and why are you against the building of Cordoba House, this Muslim and cultural community center?
Well, Ground Zero is a war memorial, its a burial ground, and this Mosque is offensive; its humiliating, its demeaning to the three thousand innocent victims who lost their lives. Without Islam this attack would never have happened. And we are rallying at Ground Zero, at the corner of Liberty and and Church to show the public outcry and we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive to this overwhelming ah dissent to this Mosque. the latest polls show that America is against this Mosque. to build a shrine to the ideology which inspired this jihadist attack is insulting, it is...
At this point the interviewer made her first interruption to insert a canned response from the Imam of Cordoba Housed. The Cordoba House project is a symbol of Islamic supremacy. Muslims built a Mosque on Jerusalem's Temple Mount, and deny that the Temples ever existed there, claiming the site for themselves exclusively. Their attitude is supremacism, it is arrogant AssWholliness, totally unacceptable to civilized people. Recent riots were caused by similar conflicting claims over holy sites. You might remember hearing about Ayodhya. The Wikipedia entry will refresh your memory.
One remark is particularly telling: "Without Islam this attack would never have happened." The accursed abomination is a function of orthodox Islamic doctrine. It flows directly from Surah Al-Anfal 39 & Surah At-Taubah 29; from Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387 and from Reliance of the Traveller Book O, Chapter 9, which codifies them. [http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-8.html http://www.crusadersarmory.co.cc/RelianceO9-9.html]
Another clause needs to be brought forward: "we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive". Geller is sticking it in the left winger's eye. Islam is intolerant and unresponsive. In the Muslim world view, we must tolerate Islam, Muslims are privileged to kill us.
I want to read a response here from the Imam of the Mosque and cultural center because they put this out here and they want people like you and others who are criticizing them to understand what is going to take place in this facility. And they say that the Cordoba House seeks to create a community center where all people, Muslims, Jews, Christians and those of every faith can gather in a spirit of honor, respect and peaceful coexistence. And they go on to say that We cannot think of a better expression to promote the peaceful values of our faith than the Cordoba House, where American Muslims stand together with fellow citizens to condemn extremism and terror. It is a project to honor those people who were harmed on September 11th. Why do you object when they say you know, that's not correct what you are saying, this center is not about promoting some sort of hateful ideology, its quite the opposite?
First of all, that statement is deception because it is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray ...
What's wrong with that?
It is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray in a Mosque. The only time non-Muslims are allowed in a Mosque is if perhaps they would be able to convert. There is no plurality, there is no tolerance here...
Well thats not true because the Imam says that they would actually welcome people of various faiths to go and check this out and you can, as a non-Muslim, I'm a non-Muslim, I've been to a Mosque before - if you are invited as a guest to go as long as you are respectful...
Right--you're invited to go for proselytizing but it is not-there is no plurality in a Mosque . My question is: why there? How can it possibly be seen as outreach to build a Mosque at the war memorial that is Ground Zero, how ? How could that be perceived, that is a kick in the head, I don't understand how it can be turned into this idea of outreach when it is the opposite .
It is a triumph it is triumphal, we know that the Islamic pattern is to build gigantic Mosques on the cherished sites of conquered lands. We know that this is Islamic history...
It is a triumph it is triumphal, we know that the Islamic pattern is to build gigantic Mosques on the cherished sites of conquered lands. We know that this is Islamic history...
Geller is trying to reinforce the concept of Mosques supplanting temples after becoming rattled and selecting the wrong word to inform us that Muslims invite us to Mosques in order to pull the wool over our eyes and, if possible, begin the process of converting us. Once again, the interviewer jumps in to prevent the completion of the thought.
Miss Geller, I'd like to ask you I'd like to ask you there are obviously Muslims scholars and Muslims who disagree with you but also President Bush who made this point time and time again when he reached out andsaid "look we've gotta go after those who attacked Americans on 9/11 --Al-Qaeda " certainly not moderate Muslims and not the faith of Islam, that there is a distinction, there is a difference and if people don't understand it its out of ignorance or misunderstanding. How do you counter that point if even President Bush said that what you're saying is not true?
Shrub said that "Islam is a great religion of peace". What makes him an expert? Who died and made him god? In fact, like Clinton & Obama, he is a damn liar. Peace, to Islam, is the condition of the world after they have finished conquering it. Only those who read Islam's canon know that peace and justice are fruits of conquest. Fitna prevails until Islam rules the world. Muslims attack kuffar because Moe told them that Allah commanded them to, promising eternal bliss in the celestial carnal house and threatening eternal torment in the fire of Hell as his carrot and stick incentives. Geller can't answer this way, if she did it would be her last interview, but look what she said.
I counter that point by saying: read the Qur'an, read the hadith, read the sira, there are some fifteen thousand...
Well, they have countered that as well and say that Islam ...its a perversion of Islam ... its a faith of peace?
Those who say that are Gd'd liars! There is no truth in there false assertions of passivity & perversion. They can not explain why the "religion of peace" has, in its scripture, sanctification of conquest, genocide & terrorism nor why it has rules for distributing spoils of war. They'd black ball Geller if she responded as I do.
Yes, I understand but the prime Minister of Turkey said "there is no extreme Islam, there is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam. there have been fifteen thousand Islamic attacks since 9/11 and it is inspired by the threat doctrine. We have to deal with it. Clearly a better idea would be to build a center dedicated to expunging the Qur'an of the violent texts that inspire Jihad. Every jihadist attack has the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric, I mean, this is a fact. We can't re-write reality, we have to see what is, have to deal with whats in front of us or how are you going to change things ? ...
This is what happens when they get you po'd, anger interferes with clear, concise expression. Threat doctrine is a military term, it really does not belong in this context. Islamic aggression is primarily inspired by the Qur'an's Surah Al-Anfal & Surah At-Taubah. The hadith which confirm and exemplify them are codified and explained in Riyad us-Saliheen Book 11, Chapter 234. Wasn't there something Geller said you should read?
Miss Geller, how do you counter the reality that there are thousands of Mosques across the United States and they are not points or symbols of jihad or hate?
We know from research done by SANE that four out of five Mosques preach hate and preach incitement to violence, we know this--as I said, its part of the Qur'anic text. And I think it is deeply offensive to build a Mosque on the sacred grounds of 9/11. There is a piece of the plane in that building and I think what we need to do- we are going to file a suit with the federal government to designate that building as a war memorial as a historic landmark, like Gettysburg, like Pearl Harbor . There is a piece of that plane in that building and to pray next to that is repugnant to any decent American, any Muslim of conscience, let me tell you something, I received emails from Muslims who don't believe a Mosque should be there.
It ain't the act of prayer, Pamela, its what they are praying to: the demon whose imperatives inspired the accursed abomination.
We're going to talk to a Muslim who has another point of view, but before you go, have you read the Qur'an ?
Yes I have and I strongly recommend Robert Spencer's The Infidel's guide to the Qur'an and Ibn Warraq and Wafa Sultan and Noni Darwish, these are books from former Muslims that must be read by the American people to understand what it is they are facing. They just arrested two more jihadis they were US citizens, they were arrested at JFK Airport. You have to understand the threat doctrine if you are going to address the threat.
Is there a portion-are there passages in the Qur'an that promotes what we saw al-Qaeda do on 9/11?
There are, but that Muslim won't admit it. I provided links to the most important such verses within my comments on the interview with Pamela Geller above.
Well first let me thank you for having me on and letting me provide what I call a Muslim perspective. Number one- a few points I want to make real quick. Unfortunately, there is a lot of erroneous translations that are out there. What we have to do is ask ourselves what do they hope to accomplish with this protest today against the Mosque? Asking the government to stop it--well that would be wholly unconstitutional its one of the first things I learned in law school, because it would be a violation of equal protection number one and number two, of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, something I learned in kindergarten as well. In America we have freedom of religion. Point number two, this is a fringe group. A lot of family members of 9/11 as well as public officials and regular Americans who understand American ideals support this initiative because they understand two crucial points: fringe groups like Pamela's- what they're doing number one- spreading the erroneous misinterpretation that the terrorists like al-Qaeda want to spread about Islam and number two: they're simultaneously feeding the propaganda that al-Qaeda uses to recruit which is that America is anti-Muslim. now Miss Geller and her group may be anti-Muslim, but the rest of America for the most part, is not. As far as where it says
http://www.quranbrowser.com/ displays a table of ten parallel translations for easy comparison. The words vary, with the exception of one polemical translation, the meanings do not. http://www.openburhan.net/ will display eighteen English translations if you click the ayeh number. It also displays a word by word breakdown, with links to an Arabic/Engish dictionary.
Besides al-taqiyya and kitman, as a lawyer, he should know that government interference would be blocked by the free exercise clause, not the establishment clause. He should also know that Islam is a standing violation of the establishment clause because it demands that temporal and spiritual power be in the same hands. Islam does not recognize separation of church and state. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. This is a wake up call.
What part is Miss Geller not understanding here because she clearly has a point of view here that she feels threatened and she feels that this is going to be dangerous to have this Mosque in that area. What do you want to say to her ?
Well, lets examine why she's threatened. Number one, she's talking about what the Qur'an teaches. There's 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, now there is admittedly probably tens of thousands of al-Qaeda members or members of other terrorist organizations; they have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. She keeps equating al-Qaeda and their attack against this country to what Islam teaches. I'll take her to my family in Egypt, they'll fill her with food and take her shopping and they'll show her that the vast majority of Muslims around the word and not just in this country follow the teachings of the Qur'an, which state for example, in Chapter 5, verse 32: killing one innocent person is like killing all people saving one innocent life is like saving all people. or another verse that says let there be no compulsion in religion . Another verse that says let there be no tyranny, this is what Islam really teaches when you look at the accurate majority translations that are out there. There are thousands of Mosques already in this country. These are the teachings of Jesus and Abraham and Muhammad That they teach in Sunday schools, its what I learned in Sunday school growing up. So this Mosque that they're going to be building two blocks away from the World Trade Center- lets remember that number one, a lot of Muslims died at the World Trade Center Number two, this is going to be interfaith and open to a lot of non-Muslims to use the pool, use the exhibit facilities, to engage in dialog, just like a YMCA would, and yes, Muslims are going to go pray there because there are over a thousand Muslims who work down town who need a place to pray.
The Qur'an does not teach Jihad, it commands it! Get that straight for once. By the way, argumentum ad numerum and argumentum ad populum are logical fallacies, a lawyer should know that and avoid using them.
"Nothing to do with the teachings of Islam"? How about Allah's imperatives: "fight them until...only Allah is worshiped", "fight those who", "kill them wherever you find them", "I will cast terror", "Allah cast terror" Nothing at all to do with terrorism, nothing at all. Yeah, right. Snake feces!
He quotes 5:32, but not 5:33, why is that? Only because the latter verse details the punishment prescribed for those who "wage war against Allah". Ibn Kathir defines "wage war" as including disbelief. Got a clue yet? If you don't believe in Allah they can crucify you. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Kitman is lying by obfuscation. These apologists for Islam are quick, slick & glib and they leave behind a lump of snake excrement. When you believe what they say, you eat that excrement.
2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion. 8:39 says "Fight them until...only Allah is worshiped.". Such conflicts are solved by naskh. Later revelations abrogate earlier revelations. The eighth surah was revealed later, 8:39 abrogates 2:256. There is something else the slick lawyer concealed from you. 3:110 says that Muslims are " the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind". That ayeh is explained by Sahih Buhari 6.60.80 The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
So there is no tyranny in Islam? That word is not found in the Hilali & Khan translation, but this is, in 33:36: It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.
"A lot of Muslims died at the World Trade Center", 23 out of more than 2700; How is that relevant to the fact that the accursed abomination was inspired by the Qur'an & hadith?
Let me ask you this, she makes the point, she says that this'll be a very important symbol to those who would want to do harm because its close to ground zero do you think that she has any kind of is this point valid at all?
Not at all. The more she talks the more its clear that she does not know what she's talking about. This Mosque is a symbol of the 1.5 billion who respect peace I mean, remember that people go around in the Muslim world saying "peace be unto you" as hello and goodbye. Let alone the Millions of Muslim Americans who including myself, including my brother in law who is an officer in the Air Force stationed in Iraq right now, teachers, doctors, these are peace loving American people, their relatives overseas are peace loving Muslims, This Mosque will provide a place to pray just like several other Mosques in New York City does, for her to say that its offensive is what's offensive to us because there is nothing offensive about our religion, Mosques are no different from synagogues and churches and nowhere in this country would someone go out there and fight against the creation of a church in downtown Manhattan so I mean its really just offensive and there's a lot of ignorance out there and the days when she can go out there and make these untrue statements about the religion are over. We now have native born, English speaking American citizens just like my self with law degrees who can finally go out there on shows like yours that are nice enough to give us an opportunity to respond and say that she's on the wrong side of history where .....
I know what Geller was talking about because I have read the Qur'an & hadith and a significant sample of Islamic exegeses & jurisprudence. Geller knows what she was talking about, so does that lying Muslim.
If Muslims respect peace, it is as the outcome of Islamic conquest. Islam divides the world into two camps: Dar ul-Islam and Dar ul-harb. Dar ul-harb is the house of war, it is wherever Islam is not yet in control. If you harbor any doubt about this, read 13:41.
The Mosque is a symbol of Islamic supremacy. Where Allah's writ runs, dhimmis are not allowed to build higher than Muslim structures and they are not permitted to build new churches. .
"Peace be upon you", ain't that sweet. Moe said something about greeting Jews & Christians, it is in Sahih Muslim 26.5389: "Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it".
"Because there is nothing offensive about our religion"? Islamic law says that:
The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),
But there is nothing offensive about Islam, no, nothing at all. Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Wake up, wise up and rise up! Sphere: Related Content
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