Showing posts with label dialog. Show all posts
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Thursday, November 14, 2013

Open Public Debate of Ideas Protects Against Religious Intolerance

Open Public Debate of Ideas Protects Against Religious Intolerance A/C.3/68/L.48 Combating intolerance, negative stereotyping,stigmatization, discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against persons, based on religion or belief continues by telling another lie.
Recognizes that the open public debate of ideas, as well as interfaith and
intercultural dialogue, at the local, national and international levels can be among
the best protections against religious intolerance and can play a positive role in
strengthening democracy and combating religious hatred, and expresses its
conviction that a continuing dialogue on these issues can help to overcome existing
misperceptions;

open public debate of ideas

    Open public debate of the doctrines and practices of Islam is anathema to the authors, & sponsors of the draft resolution.  They seek to make all criticism and exposure of Islam a criminal offense. They condemn Fitna and The Innocence of Muslims which introduce some of the most important facts which should be debated.

    When the rules of public debate dictate that "...terrorism cannot and should not be associated with any
religion, nationality, civilization or ethnic group.", then the debate is closed & one sided, not open.

protection against intolerance

    Exactly how would debate & dialog protect against the effects of belief in and attempts to implement these demonic doctrines?
  • Choosing a religion other than Islam will never be accepted 3:85
  • Fight Pagans until only Allah is worshiped 8:39
  • Fight Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians until they are subjugated and extorted 9:29
  • Bring them to Islam with chains on their necks 3:110, Sahih Bukhari 6.60.80 
  • Acts of terrorism are deeds of righteousness 9:120
How would debate & dialog protect against them if we they are excluded from debate and dialog?  We can only be protected by eliminating Islam from the world, which the UN would condemn as 'profiling' & 'discrimination'. .

existing misperceptions

    Such as?
  • "Islam is a great religion of peace."
  • "Islam is an equally valid pathway to God."
  • "Islam has been hijacked by extremists."

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Sunday, December 4, 2011

Ghazi and Tauran: Exemplary Arrogance

 Catholics & Muslims came together for inter-religious dialog, and in the final analysis, demonstrated exemplary arrogance on both sides. I will begin by exposing the arrogance of Prince Ghazi.

    The Vatican Insider has a crucial quote for us to ponder. [Bold font emphasis in original.]

It is in this context that the words spoken by Prince Ghazi, referred to at the beginning of the article, are of particular interest. The words he used in relation to the question of places of Christian worship touched a raw nerve in some Muslim countries. Underlining the fact that the Site of Jesus' Baptism (where the Forum met in these past days) is “a holy place, developed, nourished and protected by Muslims for Christians,” the exact words used by the first of the letter's 138 signatories in his introductory greeting were: “perhaps our Christian colleagues are not aware of the fact that we Muslims have learned to behave in this way, from what we read in the Sunna about the prophet Muhammad, who invited the Christians of Najran to pray in his mosque before undertaking an interreligious dialogue with them.”

Muhammad invited Christians to pray  

    The Prince wants us to assume that the invitation to pray in the Mosque was a generous act of brotherhood.  But Muslims always counsel us to consider the context when studying the Qur'an and this occasion is no exception.  The verse involved is Surah Al-Imran 3:61

3:61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allâh, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad ) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allâh upon those who lie."

    Click the link in the quote above and read through to the end of the Surah. Note especially  3:82 in the context of Surah Al Ma'idah  5:33 and Ibn Kathir's Tafsir.

3:82. Then whoever turns away after this, they are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious: those who turn away from Allâh's Obedience).

5:33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allâh and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.

The Punishment of those Who Cause Mischief in the Land  [...]`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways.[...]

blasphemy

    Saying "Jesus is Lord." or "Jesus is the son of God." is a capital offense in Islam.  Take a close second look at the first clause in 3:61.  Follow up with a close second look at the last clause.  Delve a little deeper int the context, 3:85 exhibits Islamic tolerance. .

tolerance

3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

    'If you want to be a Christian, Allah will get you ind the end, after we get you in this world.'  Of course, it could not possibly mean that, could it?   We need a little more context, this time from 3:110 and Sahih Bukhari..

war & enslavement

3:110. You [true believers in Islâmic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad  and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islâm has forbidden), and you believe in Allâh. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fâsiqûn (disobedient to Allâh - and rebellious against Allâh's Command).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.


3:111. They will do you no harm, barring a trifling annoyance; and if they fight against you, they will show you their backs, and they will not be helped.

3:112. Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allâh, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allâh, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh and killed the Prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allâh) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allâh's disobedience, crimes and sins).


    Muslims are the best people ever, as they drag us to Islam with chains on our necks. We probably won't resist, and if we do, our resistance will be ineffectual. We are covered with indignity & destruction  unless we sign a pact of dhimmitude with Moe.

delegation from Najran

    Why did the rulers of the Christian community in Yemen send delegates to meet Moe in Medina?  The sponsors of  and participants in  the recent inter-religious dialog don't want you to know; I do.

    They sent delegates to Medina in response to an extortion letter sent by Moe.

This is a letter from Muhammad, the Prophet and Messenger of Allah to the Bishop of Najran. I praise and glorify the Lord of Ibrahim, Ishaq and Ya'qub, and invite you all to worship Allah instead of worshipping His creatures, so that you may come out of the guardianship of the creatures of Allah and take place under the guardianship of Allah Himself. And in case you do not accept my invitation you must (at least) pay Jizyah (tribute) to the Islamic Government (in lieu of which it will undertake the protection of your lives and property), failing which you are hereby warned of dangerous consequences.

dangerous consequences  

    'If you don't convert or pay jizya, there will be dangerous consequences.' Such as?  Conquest!  If you doubt this fact, read his extortion letter to the rulers of Aqaba, which is more explicit.

[...] I do not intend to wage war against you till you receive my written reason for it. It is better for you, either to accept Islam or agree to pay Jiziya and consent to remain obedient to Allah, His prophet and his messengers.[...]  [...]f you do not accept these terms and set them aside, I do not need your presents and gifts. In that case, I shall have to wage war (to establish peace and security). Its result would be that the big ones shall be killed in war and the commoners shall be taken prisoners.[...]

    The delegation went to Medina to size up Moe and make certain of his intentions.  Moe demanded that they invoke a curse upon themselves, bluffing them; they chickened out.  Moe exploits the incident as a sign of weakness and falsity in Christian faith and belief.  I present links to source texts for those who wish to explore this matter in more depth.
    Moe sent an extortion letter, called on the delegation to curse themselves, and let them pray in his mosque. What a grand gesture, letting them pray in his mosque!

The Cardinal's Tale

 
   MAAN  News Agency reports from AFP on the Cardinal's remarks; I am not able to locate the transcript.

status of the holy sites

    Tauran says there won't be peace unless the status of the holy sites is resolved.  That begs the question, because there will never be a just peace so long as Islam exists. The Cardinal is, in essence, demanding Israel's surrender and national suicide.

humanity's heritage

    Tauran claims the "holy sites" as "humanity's heritage", "as each has its roots there".  Solomon, a Jew, built the First Temple on the Temple Mount. That is a Jewish site, not a Christian or Muslim site.  The fact that Jesus frequented the Temple does not confer superior title.  The fact that Umar conquered the area in 638 does not superior title.  Jordan's conquest of 1948 does not confer superior title.  In history, morality and international law, the Temple Mount and Jerusalem belong to Israel.

Islam's roots

    Islam is firmly rooted in the Kaaba; in Mecca, not in  Jerusalem.  Islam's 'claim' to the Temple Mount stems from the Miraj.  By reading accounts of the Miraj in Sahih Muslim  Book 001, Number 0309   and  Book 001, Number 0313, we learn that the Miraj is pure fantasy.  There was no mosque on the Temple Mount before 638 and no animal can make that journey in a single night. 

    Jesus and the Jewish Prophets were not Muslims!  Islam was not preached until 610, centuries after their deaths.

build a mosque where the Holy Sepulchre stands

    If the Muslims take over those sites, they will build mosques on them.  Tauran assumes that there is  fourth possibility in possession of holy sights,  Assumptions make an ass of the one who makes them.  If Israel does not retain sovereignty and control over the holy sites, Muslims will usurp them.   Neither the Vatican nor Eastern Orthodoxy will go to war to maintain possession. The Muslims know that, and would take advantage of their pacifism.     Even Israel is stupid enough to yield control to the Waqf, letting them prohibit Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.

global community

    Tauran wants international control over the holy sites.  That means Islamic control!  The OIC and their patrons & camp followers effectively control the UN, using it as a political weapon against Israel.  The outcome of two wolves and one lamb voting on the dinner menu is a foregone conclusion. 

    The Partition Plan set aside Jerusalem as an international zone.  What happened to Jewish sites in Jerusalem after they were seized by Jordan in 1948?  Hussein promised the Jews equal access to the Temple Mount; how did that work out? 

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My Favorite Speeches and Other Items of Interest

  • George Bush's March 28, 2007 Discusses Economy, War on Terror During Remarks to the National Cattlemen's Beef Association;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070328-2.html
  • Mitch McConnell's March 15, 2007 Funding For Troops, Not Timelines for Retreat; http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=270747&start=1
  • Ronald Reagan's June 12, 1987 Tear Down This Wall Speech; http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp
  • Vice President Cheney's March 12, 2007 Remarks at the AIPAC 2007 Policy Conference; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070312.html

Winston Churchill Quotes

  • A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.
  • Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement.
  • Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed.
  • Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.
  • Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
  • Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
  • I always seem to get inspiration and renewed vitality by contact with this great novel land of yours which sticks up out of the Atlantic.
  • I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
  • I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
  • I like a man who grins when he fights.
  • I was only the servant of my country and had I, at any moment, failed to express her unflinching resolve to fight and conquer, I should at once have been rightly cast aside.
  • If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.
  • In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.
  • It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary.
  • Moral of the Work. In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill.
  • Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
  • Never, never, never give up.
  • No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism.
  • One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
  • Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
  • Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
  • The first quality that is needed is audacity.
  • The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go.
  • The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
  • There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
  • These are not dark days: these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived.
  • They are decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent.
  • True genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous, and conflicting information.
  • Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
  • War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
  • War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
  • We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
  • We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival.
  • When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
  • When you are winning a war almost everything that happens can be claimed to be right and wise.
  • You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Ronald Reagan Quotes

  • "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
  • Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
  • All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.
  • Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources
  • Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
  • Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
  • Double, no triple, our troubles and we'd still be better off than any other people on earth. It is time that we recognized that ours was, in truth, a noble cause.
  • Facts are stupid things.
  • Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
  • Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
  • Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
  • Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
  • History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
  • How can a president not be an actor?
  • How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
  • I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.
  • I will stand on, and continue to use, the figures I have used, because I believe they are correct. Now, I'm not going to deny that you don't now and then slip up on something; no one bats a thousand.
  • In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that. Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tryanny and unrest.
  • Let us ask ourselves; "What kind of people do we think we are?".
  • Man is not free unless government is limited.
  • My philosophy of life is that if we make up our mind what we are going to make of our lives, then work hard toward that goal, we never lose - somehow we win out.
  • No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
  • Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.
  • Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act.
  • Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing.
  • Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
  • The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
  • The United Sates has much to offer the third world war.
  • There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
  • To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.
  • Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.
  • We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
  • We have the duty to protect the life of an unborn child.
  • We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
  • We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.
  • Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.
  • You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed.

Eleanor Roosevelt Quotes

  • No one can make you feel inferior without your consent

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