MBVD: God and Allah, Are They The Same? Part II

Friday, February 22, 2008

God and Allah, Are They The Same? Part II

This is the continuation of the discussion “God and Allah, Are They The Same?”
If you spent a little time at the previously listed web sites in Part 1 then this will be much easier to understand.
All information in this post is credited to Ben.

Islam and Christianity
The Koran vs. The Bible; http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm
Side by side comparative scripture.

For the Islamic concept, see: http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm

ALLAH, the Moon God
Review of The Moon God Allah in the Archaeology of the Middle East.
www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

3:54 "And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned [makaroo] and Allah too planned [makara] and the best [khayr] of planners [makireen] is Allah"

#393 The Arabic Makara has both a bad and a good meaning, that of making an intricate plan to carry out some secret purpose. The enemies of Allah are constantly doing that. But Allah-in whose hands is all good-has His plans also, against which the evil ones will have no chance whatever.

The Arabic word makara means to DECEIVE, PLAN, PLOT, SCHEME.

*** The Quran depicts Allah as a SLY, DECEIVING & CUNNING SCHEMER who plans and plots against his own CREATION that he had already PREDESTINED to end up either in Paradise or in Hell.

Such human attributes cannot possibly fit any supreme being, if Allah is the same as the God of Israel.

In fact such attributes are pure BLASPHEMY

***The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan.
However, the Vand Dyck and Jerusalem Bibles use the root word hayala, which means to DECEIVE or to LIE.

This word "schemer" (makir) is a very strong word which Wehr and Abdel-Nour define as "sly, cunning, wily, deceiver".

The Arabic-Arabic unjid defines it with "khuda`a" which means exactly the same thing
(Bill Campbell in his book The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science p.217-218).

Another reference to the DECEIT of Allah:
7:99 Did they then fell secure against the plan [makr] of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the plan [makr] of Allah except those (doomed) to ruin!

The phrase of Allah "being the best deceiver". "khayr-ol- makireen" is also used of Allah in Suras 8:30; 10:21.

8: 30 Remember how the unbelievers plotted [yamkuroo] against thee to keep thee in bonds or slay thee or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan [yamkuroona] and Allah too plans [yamkuroo] but the best of planners [ khayr- ol-makireen] is Allah.

10:21 When We make mankind taste of some mercy after adversity hath touched them Behold! they take to plotting [makaroo] against our Signs! Say: "Swifter to plan [asra'oo makiran] is Allah!" Verily Our messengers record all the plots that ye make [tamkuroona] !

Allah is the most DECEITFUL in Sura 3:54 and in Sura 30:8

In sura 10:21 Allah is referred to be the fastest in DECEIT/ PLOTTING/ SCHEMING.

The root with its nine forms is used in the Quran 43 times.

English translations of the Quran try to conceal the true meaning of "deceiver"

Yusuf Ali 3:54"And (the unbelievers) Plotted and planned, And Allah too planned, And the best [khayr] of planners Is Allah."

*** Yusuf Ali, in his version of the Quran, says that Makara can be "good or bad", positive or negative, (note 393), but all the Arabic dictionaries do not show the 'good' side***

Arberry Sura 3: between 45 and 50" And they devised, and God [Allah] devised, and God [Allah] is the best [khayr] of devisers"

Malik 3:54 "The (unbelievers among the children of Israel) plotted (against Isa) and Allah also devised a plan (to raise him up), and Allah is the best [khayr] in planning."

10:21 "When we bestow mercy upon the people, after adversity had afflicted them, they immediately scheme against our revelations! Say, "GOD's [Allah's] scheming is far more effective. For our messengers are recording everything you scheme." (http://www.submission.org/suras/sura10.html)

Pickthall 3:54 "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them); and Allah is the best [khayr] of schemers."

Maulawi Sher Ali, an Ahmaddiyya 3:54 "And they planned, and Allah also planned; and Allah is the Best of planners."

In Farsi, the word, "Makr" and "Makar" is from the Arabic, and it is invariably negative.

Interpretation of Sura 3:54-

The person who is a Makir (Same form as the word Kafir), speaking ofthe attribute of a person, is one who would outwit someone else to cause them harm.

It speaks of one who would reveal the opposite of what he plans to do. The reality is that he is scheming evil for that person. Hence there is the sense of planning and scheming but mostly it means to trick, outwit and deceive for the purpose of overpowering and conquering the other.

A Makir is one who devises a secret scheme against someone else. Synonyms would be cheating, defrauding, double-crossing, deceiving, tricking, in all cases Makara has the sense of defeating the one you have tricked.

Although Quranic verses are rarely understood in the context of verses that surround them, the best explanation of this verse is that some Jews were trying to deceive Jesus into believing that they have accepted his message while in reality were plotting to have him excuted.

Unfortunately for them, Allah knew of their scheme because they cannot outwit Allah, and he in turn schemed to deceive them by having a Jesus look-alike get executed instead.

So the literal translation that best represents the intention of the verse is:

Sura 3:54 "... and (they) Deceived and Allah Deceived and Allah is the deceivest of deceivers "

In Arabic: "Wa makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah khayru^l Makireen."

The context of the story is very important since Sura 3 is regarded to be Muhammad's understanding of Christian beliefs.

Al Tabari says here, that the deceit of Allah applies to the time when the Jews wanted to kill Isa the son of Miriam [Mary]. In order not to have Jesus killed, someone else had the face of Isa put on him so he was killed instead of Isa the son of Miriam [Mary]. This is how Allah deceived the Jews.

*** If Jesus did not DIE on the CROSS, then obviuosly there could have been no RESURRECTION.

Without Death & Resurrection, there is no purpose for Christianity. Hence with one single sentence, the whole of Christianity is OBLITERATED.

Since according to the Quran, its verses were 'revealed' by the angel Gabriel, the same who predicted the miraculous birth of Jesus as the REDEEMER of humanity, then Allah DECEIVED the Christians TWICE:

Once for the reason of Jesus's birth and then for his non death.

From all of the above, the true nature of Allah is revealed ***

Deception of the Qu’ran By Translators

Islam- The World Power of The Future?

Allah, Who Is He?

Ecumenical Outreach Ministry
At this site you can click on “Books” to bring up a page with several Word documents or Adobe.pdf’s.

Under the heading "Questions About Faith" scroll down to item number 65. There you will see an MS Word doc and Adobe pdf icons. Click on your preference to bring up the subject of "God In Islam and Christianity".

May the God of Abraham bless you with knowledge and understanding.

Dean

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My Favorite Speeches and Other Items of Interest

George Bush's March 28, 2007 Discusses Economy, War on Terror During Remarks to the National Cattlemen's Beef Association;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070328-2.html
Mitch McConnell's March 15, 2007 Funding For Troops, Not Timelines for Retreat; http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=270747&start=1
Ronald Reagan's June 12, 1987 Tear Down This Wall Speech; http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp
Vice President Cheney's March 12, 2007 Remarks at the AIPAC 2007 Policy Conference; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070312.html

Winston Churchill Quotes

A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement.
Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed.
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
I always seem to get inspiration and renewed vitality by contact with this great novel land of yours which sticks up out of the Atlantic.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
I like a man who grins when he fights.
I was only the servant of my country and had I, at any moment, failed to express her unflinching resolve to fight and conquer, I should at once have been rightly cast aside.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.
In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.
It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary.
Moral of the Work. In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill.
Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
Never, never, never give up.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism.
One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
The first quality that is needed is audacity.
The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
These are not dark days: these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived.
They are decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent.
True genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous, and conflicting information.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival.
When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
When you are winning a war almost everything that happens can be claimed to be right and wise.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Ronald Reagan Quotes

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.
Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources
Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Double, no triple, our troubles and we'd still be better off than any other people on earth. It is time that we recognized that ours was, in truth, a noble cause.
Facts are stupid things.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
How can a president not be an actor?
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.
I will stand on, and continue to use, the figures I have used, because I believe they are correct. Now, I'm not going to deny that you don't now and then slip up on something; no one bats a thousand.
In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that. Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tryanny and unrest.
Let us ask ourselves; "What kind of people do we think we are?".
Man is not free unless government is limited.
My philosophy of life is that if we make up our mind what we are going to make of our lives, then work hard toward that goal, we never lose - somehow we win out.
No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.
Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act.
Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing.
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
The United Sates has much to offer the third world war.
There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.
Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.
We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
We have the duty to protect the life of an unborn child.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.
Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.
You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed.