MBVD: Lively Discussion On Bombing Religious Sites

Tuesday, August 7, 2007

Lively Discussion On Bombing Religious Sites

Cross-posting per request by Snooper

Over 2 years ago, Tom Tancredo made a comment about deterrence in regards to the Islamic Menace of which we face in these modern times. This has touched off lively debates among the demented Leftinistra, taking it all out of context, and among the RIGHT Ones, the conservatives. Whereas it is indeed abhorrent to blatantly bomb into submission our enemies by targeting their religious shrines and facilities, the discussion has taken a turn.

Wake Up America has a discussion transpiring that is the PERFECT manner of which to conduct a lively discussion. Perhaps the moonbats would do well to learn how to debate issues with facts as well as opinions, where the facts are readily discernible from the opinions and feelings offered for discussion.

Members of the "group" called Patriots For Conservative Values come from a very wide and diverse background. None of us, however, are "Bushmonoffs". Most of us are grateful that GWB has been the President of the United States these past years in these troubling times. Most of us are grateful that GWB has been the CIC during this Time of War.

There are NONE that are satisfied with GWB on several issues, to wit, the ROE of days past and the Shamnesty atrocity.

ALL of us demand a Victory In Iraq and we have been fighting tooth and nail for that cause to unfold...and we are witnessing a Victory In Iraq unfolding before our very eyes...and the Leftinistra shudder and blink. They know that they are wrong and have been as wrong can be and have used their "wrong headedness" to promote their vile and unpatriotic rantings on their path to the White House and Supreme Lording over The Masses in a communist coup called rigged elections via lies and contemptible gyrations of the contenders.

Unlike the Moonbat Leftinistra that support and promote Defeat In Iraq that have no evidence whatsoever to support their claims of War Crimes perpetrated by the current administration, we conservatives have the facts of the issues on our side.

I posted a comment in the comment board of the thread mentioned above and it was truncated because it was too long. I will finish the comment here as part of this post. The truncated portion will be identified by change in color and setting.

I can see and empathize with both sides.

Having engaged THIS particular enemy on many levels, I DO have the attitude of "kill them all BEFORE they kill us all". It just matters the how and when.

That may be a piss-poor attitude...it may not. It is what it is. Having said that, I will try to wrangle a way to explain it because it is truly complex.

"They" do NOT think like us. ANYTHING we do, honorably or not, matters not to them. Their values of life and death are IDENTICAL to the Asian mindset. That is why the PTO was so horrendous and why GIs went berserk with the flame throwers and facing down the BONZAI! BONZAI! BONZAI!

One of my uncles survived Guadalcanal, Saipan and Iwo Jima...physically. Until the day he died 8 years ago, he could not be in the same proximity of an Asian whether they were American citizens or not. It was what it was. There was no engineered animosity towards the Asian culture and he is said to have cried and cried for days and days if he even saw an Asian.

He would absolutely FUME when he would hear moonbats wine and dine the "Islamic Hordes". He would say, "Kill them all while we have a chance because, one day, they will be here...mark my words".

The Islamic Menace WILL one day possess FUNCTIONAL WMDs and they will NOT hesitate to use them against us.

American SOP, is "like retaliation". You hit us with bio or chemical weapons, it IS THE SAME AS A NUKE and we will strike in like terms. That is the Official Policy in the conduct of war. Very few know this and it is scary that which we face.

Rest assured that there IS a plan and the President ALWAYS has the football nearby. On any given day, targets or potential targets are predetermined and programmed...EVERY DAY, bar none. It merely depends on where the strike is that determines where we strike...how and when. No one speaks of it because it is barbaric and just thinking about it makes my skin crawl.

The barking moonbats are dragging us closer and closer to That Day...mark MY words.

War is hell and war sucks. There is no getting around war. Wars upon wars will always be with us until the end of time.

I do disagree that we should arbitrarily nuke Mecca just because it would piss them off and "maybe" think about what happened and it would also make us feel good...maybe...that we zapped the bastards and good riddance.

"Take THAT raghead!"

Very few ever stops to think about the men that prepare, transport, deliver, upload, arm, target and finally loose the nuke that sends the target into the upper stratosphere.

Very few ever stops to imagine one man taking aim at another and deciding to pull the triggers is like. Until one has actually done just that, the concept will always and forever be foreign and unimaginable.

Tancredo has a point but "The When" is off-base. One has to have The Will to carry out The Bluff when The Bluff is called.

I am confident that Mecca is NOT targeted but the evil thougt of sending the city of Mecca into the stratosphere is bone-chillingly humorous in that, "We sure showed them, eh?" However, at this juncture, my personal take is that is a leap of which we should not partake thereof.

We are indeed better than that and I feel that the nuking of Mecca is an emotion born out of frustration and concern over the evilness of the Jihadis. The Jihadis know what the SOP response to an attack on America via WMDs are but they are correct in that there isn't a single politician that has the cajones to carry it out over fear of "What will people think of me?" bullshit.

We may very well never find out and I pray every day that we never do find out.

And there it is and there you have it. My take. My OPINIONS. My gut call.

If you read the comments on that board, no one attacked anyone. Civil discourse was abundantly clear and that is the way it should be.

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My Favorite Speeches and Other Items of Interest

George Bush's March 28, 2007 Discusses Economy, War on Terror During Remarks to the National Cattlemen's Beef Association;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070328-2.html
Mitch McConnell's March 15, 2007 Funding For Troops, Not Timelines for Retreat; http://mcconnell.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=270747&start=1
Ronald Reagan's June 12, 1987 Tear Down This Wall Speech; http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/wall.asp
Vice President Cheney's March 12, 2007 Remarks at the AIPAC 2007 Policy Conference; http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/03/20070312.html

Winston Churchill Quotes

A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him.
Although personally I am quite content with existing explosives, I feel we must not stand in the path of improvement.
Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed.
Attitude is a little thing that makes a big difference.
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
Danger - if you meet it promptly and without flinching - you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
I always seem to get inspiration and renewed vitality by contact with this great novel land of yours which sticks up out of the Atlantic.
I am an optimist. It does not seem too much use being anything else.
I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat.
I like a man who grins when he fights.
I was only the servant of my country and had I, at any moment, failed to express her unflinching resolve to fight and conquer, I should at once have been rightly cast aside.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.
In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might.
It is no use saying, 'We are doing our best.' You have got to succeed in doing what is necessary.
Moral of the Work. In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill.
Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.
Never, never, never give up.
No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism.
One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.
The first quality that is needed is audacity.
The nose of the bulldog has been slanted backwards so that he can breathe without letting go.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
These are not dark days: these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived.
They are decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent.
True genius resides in the capacity for evaluation of uncertain, hazardous, and conflicting information.
Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
War is mainly a catalogue of blunders.
We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.
We shall draw from the heart of suffering itself the means of inspiration and survival.
When the eagles are silent the parrots begin to jabber.
When you are winning a war almost everything that happens can be claimed to be right and wise.
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.

Ronald Reagan Quotes

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have.
All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk.
Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources
Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Double, no triple, our troubles and we'd still be better off than any other people on earth. It is time that we recognized that ours was, in truth, a noble cause.
Facts are stupid things.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.
History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
How can a president not be an actor?
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.
I will stand on, and continue to use, the figures I have used, because I believe they are correct. Now, I'm not going to deny that you don't now and then slip up on something; no one bats a thousand.
In Israel, free men and women are every day demonstrating the power of courage and faith. Back in 1948 when Israel was founded, pundits claimed the new country could never survive. Today, no one questions that. Israel is a land of stability and democracy in a region of tryanny and unrest.
Let us ask ourselves; "What kind of people do we think we are?".
Man is not free unless government is limited.
My philosophy of life is that if we make up our mind what we are going to make of our lives, then work hard toward that goal, we never lose - somehow we win out.
No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. was too strong.
Our forbearance should never be misunderstood. Our reluctance for conflict should not be misjudged as a failure of will. When action is required to preserve our national security, we will act.
Protecting the rights of even the least individual among us is basically the only excuse the government has for even existing.
Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.
The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.
The United Sates has much to offer the third world war.
There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.
To paraphrase Winston Churchill, I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy.
Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong.
We are never defeated unless we give up on God.
We have the duty to protect the life of an unborn child.
We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.
Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.
You know, if I listened to Michael Dukakis long enough, I would be convinced we're in an economic downturn and people are homeless and going without food and medical attention and that we've got to do something about the unemployed.