Impeach for Peace Treasonists
First, the background. There is a very prominent logo here, the Victory Caucus. Our mission statement is this:
1. Deliver the perspectives and news on the war effort which the mainstream media neglects to help the American public understand the nature of our conflict and its true progress.
2. Provide tools and infrastructure to help citizens who are committed to victory organize into a recognized and influential caucus.
3. Identify opportunities for the caucus to act and exert influence on America's leaders and to directly aid and support the men and women or our military
and our belief is this:
--We support victory in the war against radical Islamists. We supported the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and we believe victory is necessary in both countries for America's self-defense.
--We believe that the radical regime in Iran, while not representative of the Iranian people, is a menace and that it cannot be allowed to obtain or build nuclear weapons.
--We believe that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that has killed hundreds of Americans and which waged war against Israel in violation of every law of war this past summer, and will do so again in the future.
--We believe Israel is our ally and friend and deserves the full assistance of the United States in its battle with radical Islamists. We believe that Israel has repeatedly shown its willingness to negotiate a just and lasting peace, but that its enemies do not want peace, but the destruction of Israel.
--We believe that the American military is the finest in the world and indeed in history, well led and superbly trained, and populated at every level by America's best and brightest.
--We support the troops, and those organizations which assist the wounded in their recoveries and support the families of those who sacrificed everything.
--We support leaders who support victory
There are several veterans on this site and several people who have relatives currently serving in our military.
On March 12, 2007, we received word that a particular group, "Impeach for Peace", was going to be present at the anti-war rally in Washington today, March 17, 2007, and who, on March 19, 2007, were going to be meeting with defeatist/treasonist representatives to present their "individually drawn up petitions" calling for Bush's impeachment (there is apparently some codicil in the Constitution that states if enough individuals call for impeachment they can present the petition to representatives who then present it to Congress; I personally haven't yet checked this out).
I engaged in conversation. Two other members of Victory Caucus also engaged. Impeach for Peace had no success in "converting" us to their loony-leftist-liberal treason. I had to break off conversations because I had to catch a plane for a four day legal conference. I ended by inviting these people to Victory Caucus for discussions. To date, however, they haven't had the guts to do so.
Fast forward to today. I received this in my personal mailbox:
This is going out to everyone who posted on the following thread on our news blog:
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=479
Just this week we have received confirmation that Valerie Plame was an active agent as confirmed by the current U.S. Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (commonly: Assistant National Security Advisor) Stephen Hadley himself when she was 'outed'. The potentially treasonous war-time 'outing' of Plame was a concerted, conscious effort by multiple members of the Bush Administration - as Libby Trial testimony, and a graphic submitted to the current Congressional CIA Leak Investigation clearly reveals:
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=709
This after four years of incessant Neo-Con loyalist and covert employee ( 'troll' ) chatter that she simply had a desk job and that it was common knowledge that she was CIA 'around town'. Trace back who has been pushing that lie and you can easily see whose loyalty is to party, power and profit over truth, justice and the best interests of our national security.
We at ImpeachforPeace see no coincidence in three forceful Neo-Con supporting voices converged on our blogsite Press Release for today's March on the Pentagon leading up to Monday's visits with members of Congress (emphasis mine).
Nice to know that we are a threat to your lies.
Another lie, as put forth in the same blog by [redacted--my real name] - that Muslims, Iraqis and Iranians are hateful, evil, sinister villains hellbent on the destruction of all things American is also revealed to be a falsehood below:
The myth of Muslim Support for terror
The common enemy is violence and terrorism, not Muslims any more than Christians or Jews.
By Kenneth Ballenï
DEAN ROHRER WASHINGTON -
Those who think that Muslim countries and pro-terrorist attitudes go hand-in-hand might be shocked by new polling research: Americans are more approving of terrorist attacks against civilians than any major Muslim country except for Nigeria.
The survey, conducted in December 2006 by the University of Maryland's prestigious Program on International Public Attitudes, shows that only 46 percent of Americans think that "bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" are "never justified," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."
Contrast those numbers with 2006 polling results from the world's most-populous Muslim countries “ Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nigeria. Terror Free Tomorrow, the organization I lead, found that 74 percent of respondents in Indonesia agreed that terrorist attacks are "never justified"; in Pakistan, that figure was 86 percent; in Bangladesh, 81 percent.
Do these findings mean that Americans are closet terrorist sympathizers?
Hardly. Yet, far too often, Americans and other Westerners seem willing to draw that conclusion about Muslims. Public opinion surveys in the United States and Europe show that nearly half of Westerners associate Islam with violence and Muslims with terrorists. Given the many radicals who commit violence in the name of Islam around the world, that's an understandable polling result.
But these stereotypes, affirmed by simplistic media coverage and many radicals themselves, are not supported by the facts “ and they are detrimental to the war on terror. When the West wrongly attributes radical views to all of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims, it perpetuates a myth that has the very real effect of marginalizing critical allies in the war on terror.
Indeed, the far-too-frequent stereotyping of Muslims serves only to reinforce the radical appeal of the small minority of Muslims who peddle hatred of the West and others as authentic religious practice.
Terror Free Tomorrow's 20-plus surveys of Muslim countries in the past two years reveal another surprise: Even among the minority who indicated support for terrorist attacks and Osama bin Laden, most overwhelmingly approved of specific American actions in their own countries. For example, 71 percent of bin Laden supporters in Indonesia and 79 percent in Pakistan said they thought more favorably of the United States as a result of American humanitarian assistance in their countries not exactly the profile of hard-core terrorist sympathizers. For most people, their professed support of terrorism/ bin Laden can be more accurately characterized as a kind of "protest vote" against current US foreign policies, not as a deeply held religious conviction or even an inherently anti- American or anti- Western view.
In truth, the common enemy is violence and terrorism, not Muslims any more than Christians or Jews. Whether recruits to violent causes join gangs in Los Angeles or terrorist cells in Lahore, the enemy is the violence they exalt.
Our surveys show that not only do Muslims reject terrorism as much if not more than Americans, but even those who are sympathetic to radical ideology can be won over by positive American actions that promote goodwill and offer real hope.
America's goal, in partnership with Muslim public opinion, should be to defeat terrorists by isolating them from their own societies. The most effective policies to achieve that goal are the ones that build on our common humanity. And we can start by recognizing that Muslims throughout the world want peace as much as Americans do.
Kenneth Ballen is founder and president of Terror Free Tomorrow, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to finding effective policies that win popular support away from global terrorists.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.html
Now, keeping in mind I had invited this man to come over to Victory Caucus and engage in truthful conversation, and he simply didn't have the balls to do so, here is my response to him:
Mikael,
You may twist my words to suit your purpose; that's okay. You may even misquote me and name call and that's okay. However, if you were honest with yourself, you will recall I invited you to join us at www.VictoryCaucus.com and join the conversations. You haven't done so. To me, that shows an extreme lack of courage and an extreme bias on your part, though you stated you wished for give and take conversation on your site. If you had half the courage you purport to have, you would have visited and you would have seen that we indeed endorse Muslims who have escaped the horror of the terrorists and are very vocal about what they've seen, what they've experienced, even what they've done and turned away from.
Now, while I may be a Bush supporter, that doesn't mean I'm not thoroughly discouraged with several things that have transpired. No one walks on water and that includes our president. However, I feel that supporting our CIC in time of war is paramount or the wrong message is sent to the very people we wish to take out of the game and that is the terrorists. It emboldens them and encourages them. And, I do feel that Bush has a much bigger set of cajones on him than the beloved favorite of the liberals, and that's Clinton. At least Bush has the courage to confront the terrorists while Clinton ran. Further, Bush hasn't committed perjury and Clinton did. Regardless of what that perjury pertained to (in his case, sex), it's still a crime and he was impeached for it.
You didn't ask, you assumed. And you conveniently twist the Libby hearings to suit your purposes...the real "outer" of Valerie Plane was Armitage. Why aren't you concentrating on that?
Go ahead and play your games. Go ahead and name call and twist. I expect nothing more from you. And like most liberals, when offered a chance at real dialogue on another site, you did just as expected--you hid.
By the way, this is his email address: "Mikael Rudolph" minneapolis@impeachforpeace.org
Among other things, he neglects the fact that Richard Armitage was the true "outer" of Valerie PlameAND THE FACT THAT ARMITAGE ADMITS THIS--it's more convenient to continue the lie the defeatists/treasonists have compounded about Libby; he also neglects to mention her Vanity Fair interview, complete with pictures.
It's amazing how far people will go for their own agendas, even if that means bringing terrorism to our shores. These intellectual gnats don't seem to understand if we lose the war on terror, there will BE NO CONSTITUTION for this country and every right, every freedom we enjoy will disappear. I call that "ostrich syndrome". Sphere: Related Content
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